International Talk Ep.10 FULL BLOWN and DJ SPIDER!

Norie sits down with Trinidadian producers Full Blown and Bajan producer/DJ Spider to talk
about getting into production as youths, trends in soca and Trini music, competing for top songs
at Trinidad Carnival and more.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:06

National talk. You're shooting DJ Nurry, and today I have one plus one guest. One plus one guest. Alright. We have full blown and we have DJ Spider. So I feel it's only right. You know, we're not I'm not saying I'm stereotyping, but we're doing so. Because I said, why not? You know? Never touris, you know, she's doing her thing. I say, you know, why not spider come right? Of course, of course. But I had to ask him if y'all was cool first. Let's say they could have been the boy spiders keep on sending me rhythm. And then all of a sudden it's an awkward situation where you can. One of them things you left them ran, right? I believe you know I know Spider a long time, so I know I know his capabilities. I know his good and his annoying ways. I know how he is. He just wants to win. Tell us about it. Tell us about it. He just wanna win, you know. All the time, all the time. Yeah, I appreciate that. So he's here today. So uh so right now we have Full Blow. Yes. In the building. In the building. So so I'm just curious because not saying that I haven't heard of Full Blow, but I feel like you guys have been just very behind the scenes for a long time. You know what I'm saying? Like behind the scenes where a lot of great hits were made and a lot of uh moves in the industry.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

It was on too busy. It was on too much. Like that's what we wanted people. I didn't really understand why. But for us when we started like we didn't really say how we wanted to do some of the things that we actually did. When we started doing music we were just messing around with RB and Reggae and stuff like that. We never wanted to do soccer.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Like we actively said we do not want to do soccer. We used to say that.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

So you know when you say RB, it kind of makes sense how that songs so how the song sounds.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

Yes. That's where we came from, you know, um, like listening to a lot of oldies, like our parents was always playing the you know the old stuff, especially on a Sunday.

SPEAKER_05 2:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

You know, so we were heavily influenced, or we are heavily influenced by you know RB and a lot of old music. That's why we love to sample or interpolate and bring back things that we found were great or makes us feel happy, you know.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

Yeah, so so so basically how do you guys meet then? We are brothers, brothers, yeah. We are blood brothers. Blood brothers, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

This is my little brother.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

Wow, yeah. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

I'm gonna say that though.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

No, but a lot of people think that we No, there's so many people who don't know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

Because a lot of people think that when we say we're brothers, it just means that we're close. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:25

Because that was my actual like, so who's older? That's that part I didn't know. Yeah, yeah. He's the older brother. So, as in being brothers, so how does that work though? Because that's a different, yeah, different, different because I have brothers, yeah, and we like night and day. For real?

unknown 3:40

What?

SPEAKER_03 3:40

Nah, I do Caribbean music, my brothers only listen to hip hop. Only hip hop, bro, they may come to a Nori party to support, but then leave. You dig it on this? So, how does this work for both of y'all as being brothers to be like reconnected in the music like this?

SPEAKER_00 3:57

I think growing up, I always wanted to be like my brother, and I always wanted him to include me in whatever he's into. So a lot of my early days of discovering music was because of what he was listening to, and uh so we'd kind of developed the same taste in music. So now when it came full circle where we created music, it's like I already know what he's going to like if I'm producing something. And when he's writing, he would already know that yeah, I would be able to produce around this because that is our vibe.

SPEAKER_05 4:30

Okay, that's funny enough.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

He he was the one who got us started in music, it wasn't me. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. While when he was in school, like one of his well, a few of his school friends. Well, he could tell the story.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yeah, they used they used to kind of mess around with the music and we used to skip school to go do that. And that was the first time I saw how music was digitally, you know, created. And that blew my mind. I asked them for the software that was Fruity Loops. Yes, I asked them for the software, and I was like, Yeah, yeah, Spider would know that thing. I asked them for the software, and I went home. I was like, Kevin, we need to do this. And I had no idea what I was doing, but I just knew that you know, I'm I'm good with technology, I would figure it out. And eventually we realized this is fun. It was never thought of it being a career or anything like that. It's just fun. And we had our day jobs and that kind of thing, but then it was like, you know, we actually kind of good at this. Let's see how far we could go with it. And we had a mutual friend, well, one of my school friends who became his friend as well. He was an act of the musician, like a keyboard player, and that kind of thing. And so he started to, you know, make some music with us, and he taught us a lot. And then from there, we was like, Yeah, I feel we could do this. But it was still on the RB side. RB. Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

So, what was your first record? RB. What was your first record? Like, what was the name of it? You don't want to hear that.

SPEAKER_06 5:53

I don't even want I don't even want to hear it.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

I don't want to hear it. What was the name of it? I can't even remember, but the first I think the first thing we well, we have a put out Yeah, what was the first record you ever? Remember the reggae we had on our rhythm um on the Royal Club rhythm? Yeah, yeah. Um Lies and the Seat. Yeah, the name of the song was Lies and Deceit. Lies and Deceit. Yeah, it was a reggae, it's a reggae song. No, is it over? Hopefully not. I hope not.

SPEAKER_05 6:25

I hope funny enough, I guarantee you if they go and pull back the record and you know restructure it and cook it up again, it'll be a wicked record. Knowing what you know now.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

You might get a virus if you pull it up, right? Just warning you.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

We don't find it.

SPEAKER_00 6:45

But but yeah, um, it's funny because back then we thought we were so ready. And now if we listen to those things, it was like, nah, we weren't ready at all. But we were so glad that we were able to go through the process on our own, like there were no handouts and that kind of thing. So you had tough lessons to learn. Right. And so now we feel like, yeah, well, now we're ready.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

Yeah, we know the ropes. Yeah, uh and funny enough, we kind of stumble into soccer because I used to write, I used to write a song every year from a girlfriend at the time, right? It's years ago. Right. So every year on our anniversary, I would write a song and go and record it, sing it, and then present it uh on a CD. Right, right, right. Right. So we would go down regarding it. For sure. That is that is that's me. For sure. For sure. And you had the rose, you had a rose, you brought the roses with this. Nah, nah, nah. I don't know flowers. I find flowers way too corny. Yeah, but the song, yeah, or the I'm not dancing in the rain either. Okay, okay, okay but yeah, so so we would go down to Precision Productions, okay, okay. Casey Phillips and Casey listening to you know what we what we writing, how we writing, the music, everything, and he was like, Y'all should try soccer, you should try soccer. He would always say that, and we always turn him down until one particular time he gave us a CD with two two beats on it. One was the Antilles rhythm, right? And we wrote Vibescar Done for Marshall. That was our first time writing soccer. First soccer song we ever wrote in life. What's the odds? Yeah, it'll be the first song. That's what I'm saying. And that was it, and that was it.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

You had no time to warm up. No, that's it. That was it.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

That is it.

SPEAKER_03 8:49

That was it right now.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

Everything just went. Yeah, and it just steamrolled from there. That in that same year, we wrote like um Mr. Fed first, but we wrote for Benji too in that year, People Champion.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

So hit after hit after hit after him, and I guess it was thanks to the RB influence because we we didn't know it back then, but I guess people thought that something about our style was just different.

SPEAKER_05 9:17

Yeah, you know what, Nori, that leads me to a question I have. So, as a songwriter, have you ever wrote a song for someone that they did not take that you knew they should take it?

SPEAKER_01 9:29

Well, Vibe Scaredon went to other people before Marshall. Interesting, yeah, and you yeah, yeah, and it says and they all turned it down, yeah. Butler Rum went to other people before Marshall as well.

SPEAKER_05 9:43

Yeah, we we had hits that were turned down, turned down and became monsters, you yeah, it happens, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

It happens how could you feel now knowing that I had the song for like six minutes in your WhatsApp too? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's up, sorry? And then to know now, it's a number one hit for Marshall. I was sitting there listening to it to yourself, like and I showed it.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

Right, right. Up to the time he died, Black. That was that joke we had with Blacks, because he had butler in the real world.

SPEAKER_03 10:19

Sometimes Marshall probably just has that thing to make, you know, to work the song. Yeah, right. Right. You know, his execution would be different. So that artist probably couldn't even take it to that. You feel what I'm saying? Because I noticed you have a lot of Marshall songs, though. You guys got a lot of Marshall songs, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

Countless, countless.

SPEAKER_03 10:37

Like, like I said, no one knew what was going on. Y'all did a good job of masking that, man.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, like I yeah, so I started to say, you know, we we didn't plan, we didn't set out to do this. This was not that wasn't like a goal of ours, so we didn't feel accomplished in a sense. You know, we were happy and we were enjoying our growth in the music, but we now suddenly feel a sense of accomplishment with what we're doing now because this is more of a goal that we had where we wanted to create our own lane in music and do things our way, perform how we want to perform, dress how we want to dress, you know, like now that's why we're doing things like this now, because we feel like we want to talk about uh you know our personal journey and those that we have, yeah, as opposed to just writing for someone is not really the same, if you get me, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

So so uh as in the big link's rhythm, was it something that you planned to do? Was it a single, or you just said I go on all the way and let's put this rhythm up?

SPEAKER_00 11:47

Um it was supposed to be a single first because I feel single, you know. Yeah, so we always felt spirits first.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

We wrote good spirits first single for us. Okay, we wrote good spirits first, yeah. Yeah, but then how to get people to pay attention to us? It's not easy when you don't have a star name and you're releasing a song for Trinidad Carnival when there are just countless soccer songs coming out at the same time. How do you really get the public to pay attention to your song that you think is good? And we knew it was good and we wanted to invest in it and all that, but then sometimes you feel like it could go to waste if the right airs don't, you know, pick it up. So we said, well, hey, let's write a song for Marshall and make it a rhythm. So we wrote the truth and send it to him, and he loved it, and he was like, Okay, well, let's keep going. Why not try Kest? Because we wrote many songs for Kest too. Yeah, um and thankfully we had a we had a recording session to work on Traffic Jam, I think. It was another song we were working on. And while in studio with him and Tano, we just said, by the way, we had we working on a rhythm. Let's just play it for you, and he listened and he was like, Hey, this bad thing.

SPEAKER_03 13:07

And we started I don't think he had a point where he'll second catch you anyway.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Right. I think that it's a difference, but there was no song at the point in time, it was just the beat.

SPEAKER_03 13:16

But I don't think he'll still second catch you, yeah, yeah. Like, think of it. Like, you guys gave him I can't even tell me. A catalogue more than 10, more than 15 probably hit records that actually carry them all across the world in carnivals. Yeah, you dig what I'm saying? So I don't think at this point he's gonna say, Well, boy, this money. I agree, yeah. I think he'll be like, all right, but you you write it already? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, all right, okay. All right, we'll come back to this.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

Go ahead and I think I think what helps too is the fact that they they understand that we shelf a lot of our own things if we think it's not ready. So it's never a case where we just hurry to come and give you something and put it out. Yeah, they know that we are very selective, we we have uh kind of sense of quality control when it comes to what we release. So I think they yeah, they have that confidence that we would give it thought, we would think about it, and if it's not ready, then it's not ready, and we won't go with it. That's very important, it's very important.

SPEAKER_03 14:20

That's very important.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

So it was your song, Marshall Song, Kess, and the Young Brother came last. And Young Brother, yeah, it almost never came about. And it definitely looks like that too.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

You could you could tell the story book of this rhythm from uh DJ's point. You can see, yeah. The way you can even tell by like the way the young brother song is you could tell it was like a last record. Like he just made it through the cracks. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that's a talent that everybody could do, but I can tell. Like, yeah, you know what I'm saying? I can tell your song at least.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

And so so just now he was asking about um, well, Spider was asking about people who may not necessarily want a song. Young Brother, and they didn't want that song. Yeah. Because when they heard the rhythm, they heard the Zest, the tablas, and he said, you know, plenty producers sending me this because they think that that's what I am now, Zest artists. But they wanted something that sounded more mainstream soccer, and that one sounded more experimental to them. But again, we didn't have a song as yet, we just played the rhythm, and that was their feedback. And then we was like, you know what, we will still write a song and present it to them. And when we wrote it, they were like, Well, all right, cool. If you want us to do it, we'll do it. But they had no idea what it would have, you know, become. So interesting story.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

But that's the I think that's and I don't want to use the word ignorancy, but that that is what a lot of people do for us.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

They they be like, oh yeah, well, I guess different people have different visions for how it can work for them.

SPEAKER_03 15:59

Yeah, correct, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's like you can't knock him, so it's like you're in a weird place. Yeah, you're like, boy, trust me, this is gonna work for you. That's the thing, right?

SPEAKER_01 16:08

We have never worked with him before. Yeah, so so for him to trust, that's my own.

SPEAKER_03 16:14

The vibe gotta the vibe gotta be real. But swider, yeah. They have a great track record, right? But so how you not gonna how you're not gonna work with someone who has a great track record? It's not like they gotta know.

SPEAKER_05 16:25

It's not about it's not about the track record at that time, it's about the time they're in too. Because he's hot right now. Right. In his mind, in in for the younger generation. No, what would you consider hot? Hot is you you everybody knows you, everybody's paying attention to you. They're studying your career.

SPEAKER_03 16:45

I didn't pay attention to that until that song dropped.

SPEAKER_05 16:47

Correct, but I'm talking about the Caribbean market. Which is? Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

You're right. That's the biggest that right. They song are the two biggest songs in every club that I've been to. You're correct. You're correct. Biggest song.

SPEAKER_05 17:01

You're correct.

SPEAKER_03 17:01

So he needs to take that book, take that chapter, and write it down and say, you know what? Sometimes I gotta listen to people who's been in this game before me.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

But to be fair, even we didn't know what this song would have been.

SPEAKER_03 17:15

That's not your job. Your job is to produce the greatness, the greatness and someone singing. Right, right. Yeah, you did your job, Fox. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't discredit what it is. You did your job. Your job was right, right, right, right, right. So I have this, I'm gonna let you hear like I think this was it, okay, fine, no problem. But and it did what it did. Yeah, right, right. So, regardless of what, if, if, yeah, okay, but I'm uh I'm my my ignorance is a little different when it comes to respecting people who've done work. I will give somebody new a chance. Definitely, I'm you know I'm for the youths all day. Right. I'm for the youths, but certain people you have to respect their quality of what they've done.

SPEAKER_05 18:03

And I agree with that. You think I agree with that cohort. And you're a producer, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:07

You started from the bottom, and now you done had you done had big carnival records. Yeah, yeah. That you see the spider now is is a headliner for sure. Right, right. And he ain't even highlighting with DJ because he produced three good breakdowns. So you gotta take but but back to that now. So you can tell how the order kind of went. You could tell, like this song, this song, this song. And I was like, yo, this rhythm is like crazy, you know, all the other stuff that fell on rhythm after that, whatever, but we know what was focused on the rhythm. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, life is life for sure. Because you know, everybody wants to be on something hot.

SPEAKER_06 18:44

Yeah, true, you know, true.

SPEAKER_03 18:45

And y'all actually got like a and the crazy part, your rhythm is like a uh soaker, but dance all the soaps. The fuse.

SPEAKER_05 18:54

Yes, the fuse had me. That's what had me. And I'm like, fuse, how did they do it? You know, and you're trying to dissect it, and then you're like, how did they do this one?

SPEAKER_03 19:04

Because you could play it in your reggae set, you can play it in your soaker set, yeah, and you can just play it on his own. And you can play. You know what? I'm just gonna start the rhythm. I'm gonna start my juggling with you.

SPEAKER_05 19:15

And then the people won't go crazy right away. From the intro, you know, from the intro.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

I told the man, right? And I'm like, he's a bear jungle.

SPEAKER_05 19:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:24

I told him, I said, they took Marsville song now and put Marsville as a third. Remember, only give it to you, give it to you. Always the third song. No matter where you go. Non-created DJs that that song is their go-to song. Yeah, give it to you. And I told him this song now became the open song. Am I correct? Yes, yes, yes. You know what I'm saying? Marsville, it's still opening it. It's gonna be there, yeah. But you kind of like the third note now.

SPEAKER_05 19:56

This song, you know what I'm saying, is that opening, like any soaker set you're about to go into.

SPEAKER_03 20:02

Yeah, six five in the shell, place all his dad. You just sit and wait, you just wait to make sure he ain't playing the links with the sit down here waiting and he don't play the same from the phone.

SPEAKER_05 20:15

Wait, you forgot from the intro.

SPEAKER_03 20:17

From the intro, from the intro.

SPEAKER_05 20:19

From the intro.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

It's like a whole but in the butt you see what it is, is like the for some reason the rhythm gives a like a a happy and you feel good. Yeah, you feel good. It's like whatever negative just disappeared. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, it's a feel good, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I feel like that that that definitely plays a big part, the energy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like it just makes you feel happy.

SPEAKER_05 20:44

So, so that's good that you said that. So when moods, what mood were you in while you were making that record? If you could remember the moment of building the beat.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

It was it was definitely feel good. Um, usually we start with chords because the chords kind of trigger the mood. And uh so I'm not a classically trained musician. Most times my chords will be sample based. So I find like chord loops that sound interesting to me. Yeah. That's yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So especially if it if it doesn't sound like it's Well, it's a production classic.

SPEAKER_06 21:17

Yeah, yeah. No, no, but this is good.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

So if it doesn't sound like, you know, it's it's typically used in in soccer music. Correct. Then now I'm interested in it because I want it to sound different to all the soccer listeners. So I look for all the weird chords or the progressions that are not used a lot, and that one stood stood out to me. And then I had some drums and it was cool, but then he he was in the back of the studio just vibing to what I was doing, and he was like, Why don't you put that the Zest loop, the tablas? Wow. I was like, What I didn't hear that at all. I don't know what he was hearing, but I I called I called Tano because I thought he had the loop, and I Ask him to send it to me as as he sent it. I just warp it, put it in the uh program, and when we listened to that, we was like, Yeah, this is it for sure. Because it gave it such an edge, wow, such a unique sound to it. I was like, Yeah, boy.

SPEAKER_05 22:14

And filter a little uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, Nori, this is sorry, sorry, Nori. This is straight, this is straight, like it's not my producer. Yeah, I'm no my league. I'm dissecting the whole thing real quick.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Yeah, that was it. And then um what what I think also helped the rhythm as a whole, too, as a package, is the fact that apart from the music being unique, all four songs were they went in a different direction. So it's like it had something to appeal to everyone, regardless of which song was your favorite. Right so we used to enjoy seeing the comments online where people fighting over which song was the best song because we love the fact that people would vote for all four songs. Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah, so so it was like, yeah, mission accomplished. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 23:02

That's that's to see people actually gravitate into a music like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a different ballgame now, bro. People like you'd be surprised a sudden doing paying attention to uh somebody in St. Lucia with it. Yeah, you're like, well, when I take a too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm everywhere, you know what I'm saying? So some of the people that you even wrote songs for now, you're actually on those shows.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

Yeah, yeah. That that feels aware. Yeah, you're right. That feels aware. Like um, hypersounds, for example, we work with him before. And so now we see him around at shows and thing, and it's like you're saying hi, but in a different way now, right? Because like we we talk in different language now, right?

SPEAKER_05 23:46

Yeah, so you're saying hi, but like this. No, you know the stomach.

SPEAKER_04 24:02

No, but like you gotta do the headline, you gotta do the headline, like yeah, bro. I get to you, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

I go to my Joseph. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

But it's the same with even like Marshall and Kesson Day now. Like, before it was a respect, like, yeah, you do great work, but now it's like we're so happy for you. Yeah, we're so happy that you actually did it for yourself now. No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that that feels good to see that these artists are welcoming us and you know, showing us that love. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

But I think they they they there's no way they come though.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Well, you can't you can't not show you love. Well, I don't take it for granted. Yeah. That is it. There are some people who don't weren't raised like that. There's some people who I'm gonna I'm gonna go with that. There's some people who don't.

SPEAKER_03 24:50

The brothers all about PC. Yeah, sometimes lies on the seat. Yo, Mr.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

So and so yeah, no, no, no. Sometimes, you know, like I'm still the older brother, I still have that in me. So it's like if it reached to me, problems. That's how it is. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_05 25:11

People think you're the buffer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Everybody knows him, everybody talks to him. Everybody have my number, everybody communicate with Corey. Right. When Richard Kevin have a problem, so where you have to communicate with me, that means something wrong. Oh and uh I mean something wrong, and I have to step in, and I have to want to. No, anybody wonder because I there's a reason why I'm not the person who communicates with everybody, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 25:39

It's just that we have to people think I'm the bad guy, they don't know. You just have to do it.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

You don't know people, you know, people you don't know, yeah. Don't know, and it's it's not a it's not a bad man thing, yeah. Yeah, you know what I mean. I want to say that straight, it's not a bad man, it's just that you're disciplined. I'm very straight, yeah. I'm very straight and cut and dry sometimes. Um, and this industry calls for a lot of diplomacy that sometimes I don't always have readily available. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Well said, brother. Yeah, it's dope.

SPEAKER_05 26:15

I mean, for everything, though, everything, especially because a lot of feelings. It's a different world, it's a different world. Jesus, yeah, especially when it comes to splits, right? Look at that. You see that? You see that? That's on what for management.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

Yeah, we we like to share the wealth, yeah, because we we came from the side of the creative, so we would never forget that. We would never forget our struggle as writers trying to get what we deserve. So now when we're working with other creatives, way one, bro, no problem.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

So, but I'm saying though, so but now your sheets are looking different. Now it's like it's just me, my brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:00

That's a whole different feeling of the thing, like yourself. 50-50 with a high five, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:04

Yeah, for that um, for that good spirits, when when we did that sheet and I was like a hundred percent, right? I felt different, yeah, it hit different just to see it like boy, this mine. But but at the same time, we we are the type where it that that is not priority at all. We just want the best product we could have, right? Right. So, regardless of who we need to collaborate with, like, yeah, yeah. People already send us songs because they feel like we were just going to write our own things, so songwriters don't send us anything. And that's crazy. I don't know. It's interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:39

Like producers, uh in my mind, I will I'll be afraid to send y'all a uh uh realize because if like I could sit down and write and produce a song, but I wouldn't send it to you because I'm like, nah, they're gonna be like, yo, Spider, be right here. Don't send me no send me the beat. No, but but you see, the smallest nickel sparker idea.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

It's a 50-50, because they might just change some words. Yeah, the concept might be.

SPEAKER_05 28:05

But that's what like he said, that's the misconception that a producer like would feel like a songwriter. I'm like, uh differ boom. I agree with you 100%.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

Yeah, send them nothing either. You see, I'm gonna send them nothing, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:20

I'm gonna tell when it comes up, yeah. Good song. I'm a house of hits, man. House of hits, yeah. House of hits, yo. That's an that's another rhythm for your life. Remember that house of it?

SPEAKER_03 28:40

Yeah, send mini melodies and do the drums. Yeah, I could say let's see. I didn't just want to talk to him because maybe you're talking to him. So if you want to get him, talk to me.

SPEAKER_05 28:55

We forget one important thing. I know Nori for years. You know what Nori gonna call call me a sis, by the way. My executive producer. Yeah, customer.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

That's the only thing. You only for love that. Listen, don't worry, my kids are gonna call you. Okay, good. That's fine. That's fine. I don't need it. My kids don't know. And it's this dad always said to call you if in kids of emergency.

SPEAKER_05 29:21

Oh and it's on camera or said it on camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright, no problem.

SPEAKER_03 29:28

Yo, listen, when he's starting now, I was big me. He was like, I know where I'm doing these things uh on food loops.

SPEAKER_05 29:35

Food? Yeah, he was the first to take me to uh to um to sign some paperwork to distribute records first person, a little V pal, but you know, it's all good.

SPEAKER_03 29:46

Yeah, but you know, he's finally done his thing now, yeah. But you know, I'm like, yo, bro, like why not? It was Debian uh Debian FS. Like, yeah, you have a friend that's actually in this business happy, right? And people answer my phone call. Right. Why not? Use a friendship, yeah, yeah. Let's go get on my nerves, but the abuse of friendship, yeah, yeah, yeah. The network. But abuse, it ain't easy with him, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:11

Thank you, Nori. I appreciate you. I'm here today because of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 30:15

It's only right because you know, round up, you might get a hit right around him, you know? Right, right, right, right, right. We might yeah, yeah. Come on, man. We we need to use our relationship. Yeah, right. That's why we're here. Yeah, I appreciate it because I don't really see too much interviews with you guys. You know, so when they said, I was like, you know what, why not? Yeah, yeah, we we read each other maybe like last year at the Marshall thing, yeah. One or two other places, but we never really got to really, yeah. You know what I'm saying? It was just a respect and because I I I I don't see like I don't really see you guys really, like he said, out there like that. You know, yeah. I just seen y'all do show and y'all disappeared. I turned around, I didn't even see y'all again. I was like, I think they left.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

We'd be around, but we just know to hide good. Yo, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:11

Yeah. So so so how it feels now to be actually headlining a lot of shows, man. Because I know you like headliners.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Yeah, it it still feels it still feels weird to me at least. Because when people call and ask us, like some people asking us to perform for 40 minutes, and like, what? Like, what do you want me to sing for 40 minutes? Right, right, right, right. But I guess they believe we could do it, we could pull it off. I mean, we have songs, yeah, but and and as you think, Tony Soka will they want you to perform only the ones that are popular? So it's kind of different from the music we grew up on where we could go to Usher concert and he would do like just album tracks that we would love and we would sing along too. In soca, you can't do those things, you can't sing a song that the crowd don't know because the promoter and all vexed that he book you when you coming up on the stage to do this. Like, we doing you understand, so it's weird for us now, is like you have to have a soaker brain to understand that is this is not what you grew up on, this is something different, and you have to kind of adjust it. So we're still in that process of adjusting.

SPEAKER_03 32:15

Okay, but you can do 40 minutes of just songs that you produce. We're trying to ask you if you are embedded that into your set.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

We've been doing that, yeah. We've been doing that, like a lot of songs that we that we wrote or produce. Okay. You know, the Marshall, any case, yeah. Yeah, we've been doing that, and and the crowd, the crowd always loves that part too, you know. They love to sing along with those songs. I mean, at the end, those are hits, but yeah, like if you're doing that more than your own songs, it's it's weird. At least it's weird for me being on stage doing that. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 32:48

Because the book is an artist and not as a songwriter or producer, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

So we still trying to find the balance with it, but so far it's been good, you know. Um, to be honest, I've been asking them when we're gonna stop doing that, like singing those songs that we just wrote or produced. But every time we talk about it, now no that we have no stress and thing out, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:09

We need to figure out something different, a different set now.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

But then when we in some of those parties or fets, it's like the crowd. Yeah, you can tell they want to sing along with some of those songs. They they have been buying into our journey too. Like just where we came from, and I think a lot of it, as you said, like people didn't know, so a lot of it is like we drop a rock, yeah, and all they're celebrating us, you know. So now it's like, whoa, this is great, like like they're just happy to be a part of something that just happened in you know in front of their eyes in a way. So we can't just cut out that just too suddenly, right?

SPEAKER_05 33:50

Right, you know, it's everybody celebrating the the the you you behind the music, yeah. You know, the producers, the writers, they're getting their flowers now, so it's it's good to see.

SPEAKER_03 34:01

It's it's I think I think producers usually do that when they get booked anyway. They play songs that they play. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

It's not like you're not doing anything wrong. Right. No, no, no. No, I was just saying, like, I think this is no, I don't hear that.

SPEAKER_03 34:15

Some kind of Caribbean, Caribbean, West Indian pride. Yes, bro. You do song, bro. You do hits.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

I agree.

SPEAKER_05 34:30

You're right. But Nori, you're right. One more Nori, you're right, because Neo does it. Yeah, Neo does a lot of all the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

Rock City, RCT.

SPEAKER_05 34:43

Yeah, they do it, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

Boy, and they are they have been big inspirations to us because they are brothers as well. Yeah, right, right. Songwriters as well. So, yeah, big songs, big, big, big, big songs. Yeah, yes, yes. We saw them for St. Thomas Carnival, and they were singing some of the songs that they wrote and that kind of thing, and yeah, I was like, wow.

SPEAKER_05 35:04

Yeah, that's actually a good way to segue into this question that I have for you. Outside of soccer music, what other genre would you like to work with? And what's the name of the artist? Because you work with like everybody in soccer, you would say that it was your goal, right? Outside of soccer, who would it be? What genre and what would the artist be?

SPEAKER_00 35:30

I would say Chris Brown because I think that his versatility is insane, and he's the closest thing to Michael Jackson, who is the closest thing to RB.

SPEAKER_05 35:45

Bring it back, you bring it back to RB. Yeah, the RB. Yeah, level.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

It may not even be an RB song. I I think Chris Brown could sing so just his version of soccer, but the the danceability and yeah, like I could see him pushing something like that. And it's not that soaker needs somebody like that to co-sign that our music is good, but the world would quicker latch on it if those kind of people messed up with it. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

Yeah, yeah, very, very, yeah. So, yeah, for me, for me. Nikki was doing it, Nikki was doing it, but you know, yeah. I feel like she taps in in there whenever she's in a good mood. Yeah, right. You know, when she's not, then you leave her alone. When Nikki's in a good mood, you definitely, yeah, right. So Kevin was your answer. Yeah, that's that's you know, yeah, you know, I've seen Nikki in a good mood, and she definitely embraced and shows everybody love, and when she's her mood, we leave her the hell alone. Let's wait till she finishes. You know what I'm saying? So I think she didn't know. Smart guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. So so we're talking about uh we're talking about no stress. Right? Right, yeah. So is no stress gonna be just a single, or is it a rhythm coming out with that? Because a little pattern, yeah. I don't know if you wanna, you know, it's a little pattern, yeah. It don't gotta be enough.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

Like, you know, it is our single right now. Yes. Um who knows what the future was. But right now we're just focusing on our song as a single, and you know, just trying to showcase a different side of the probably unexpected because people just know us for soon. Um people in our close circle would know that we have a lot of other songs and other genres. But you know, it's all about finding the right time to uh and perfecting it in a different way. A lot of uh our earlier stuff, maybe vocally we weren't there yet, or certain lyrics, or you know, we we still perfecting a lot of material that we have. This is one that we have had for maybe two or three years. Um but we also had to get like permission to interpolate the showerangs and that kind of stuff. So it took a while to get here. Um so now that we're here, we're just focusing on this as a single for now and and you know, just threw in everything behind it.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was surprised that they sent me a doubling. I was like, whoa, I didn't have the accent to show.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

Nah, come on. I say yours photo management.

SPEAKER_03 38:31

I feel a little boring.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

Yeah, that's cool, let's go.

SPEAKER_05 38:37

Exclusive, exclusive, full blown now is in my top.

SPEAKER_03 38:44

Quick, you know what I'm saying? Like I'll be I'll be playing songs, nobody be reposting. I'll be like, damn. Nor again doublets for every song now. Yo, bro, I appreciate it. You know what I'm saying? So we're definitely pushing this record. Dan gave me the the the super combo. Like, listen, this is the one I'm working. You know, he talks super soft. Yeah, man. And come on, these all these guys are I'm working with them, man. I say, yo, bro, what do you want? Isn't that the record? Right, right, right, right. Let me know what you need. I got you. Like, I said, no, I like them, they're cool. What are we doing? Right. He's like, no, this new stress record of the rep. Just send me the record, bro. You dig it up saying, like, if it was uh it was artists that I don't really like, right?

SPEAKER_05 39:32

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 39:33

Let's let's negotiate this, you know. Like, bro, me and them guys are fine, bro. We're good, you know? They're cool people. It's time to shoot. Let's go, let's shoot. Yeah, we're gonna go time, right, right. Lock the date up, let's go, let's make it happen, you know. But you know, so and I think that plays a big part in this game. Being cool people, like, that people can relate to. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, industry people too. We can't get along with everybody, but I think like, you know, like bro said, what he said, what he said what's the word he used? Diplomacy. Yes. Diplomacy is very important.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

I'm gonna I'm gonna lock that diplomacy, spider, diplomacy.

SPEAKER_05 40:11

Yeah, I'm gonna put that in my I'm gonna put that in my vocabulary. That's in my that's that's locked in. It's locked in.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

That's locked in diplomacy, because that's a hundred percent this industry, bro. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 40:22

Wow. Kenori, you know all the arguments, man. All the arguments. No, I don't know all the arguments. It's just the what's it's just the WhatsApp, the what's you know, you see it so long, and the messages is like you're like Yeah, this difference, the difference for me is that's the answer to all those messages, no stress.

SPEAKER_00 40:39

No stress, no stress, yes, no stress, no stress. That's the theme for the summer, no stress, no stress.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

Uh so we're gonna use that now. Yeah, yeah, no stress. That's how I respond to a lot of messages now, and I laugh at myself. Yeah, no stress. No stress, no stress.

SPEAKER_05 40:55

No stress. Or just or just respond NP. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, no problem.

SPEAKER_03 41:01

No, let's realize. So now it's N S. No stress. So N S. N S?

SPEAKER_04 41:05

Alright, that's so that's the new one. Everybody, the new thing is NS. NS, no stress.

SPEAKER_00 41:10

But but but with this one in particular, though, um for me it was kind of nerve-wracking because it's dance all, and as Kevin said it, we don't really known for dance soul, but then because of the authentic vibe that we wanted, we went to Jamaica to shoot the video. And so people seeing Jamaica flag behind you, and people saying, So we're Trinidad flag, you know, the Caribbean like this flag wars thing, and they feel like if a next country flag in your video, it means you're from there, and it means you can't represent anywhere else. And we're trying to tell people, yo, so we we made this analogy with uh cricket, right? West Indies cricket team, and West Indies was able to dominate on a world scale because all the Caribbean islands came together to have a cricket team. Correct. And we said, what if we had that in music? What if there was a West Indies music team where it's Sean Paul is Shaggy, is Marshall, is all of them going on tour together. You know what I'm saying? Like we would be dominating on a world scale because think about all the mainstream artists who love to sample Caribbean music and Caribbean culture. We have Rihanna, we have Sean Paul, we are you know, like we could dominate, but sometimes we get too caught up, as Marshall said this the other day in an interview. We get caught up with looking at our differences as Caribbean countries instead of looking at what we have similar. And so we so focus on the differences that we forget that hey, you could borrow my dancehole because you know what? In the early days it was Calypso first, and then it became reggae, borrowing from Calypso, and then we borrow back from Reggae, and we have soca and dance hall and Trini Bad and you know, so we always borrow from each other, yeah. So, what is the problem? And that is why, too, we wanted to do a dancehole song where we show that it's not about yeah, we soaker artists and this is ours, and no, we like what you're doing as well, and we could celebrate that too.

SPEAKER_03 43:08

Yeah, yeah, that was a good analogy because a lot of people think that you just gotta stay over there, and I stay over there. Yeah, nah, yeah. We can't be like that. Yeah, that that trinity bad is just is crazy right now, too. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

And and if you look at dance all right now, plenty of the dance all artists sounding like Trini Bad artists. And we don't have a problem with that, like borrow from each other, try to make great music, and that's all we want. Great music.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Caribbean vibes like it cannot be replicated by just random people in other genres. They cannot replicate what the Caribbean could do. And if we separate ourselves, it's it's not helping anything, really, and really you know what I mean. The the key is to really unite in some way, you know.

SPEAKER_00 43:56

Yeah, the arguments with um Buyon is not so, it was his own thing, and we don't want you to call it so I feel like I feel like yeah, unnecessary. So Dominica and and all kind of arguments that we have in our we focusing on the wrong things, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:14

Because because uh because you you technically can't release a record and say it's booyo, you know. So you y'all come from the technical part of it as well. It's it's so good, you know.

SPEAKER_00 44:28

So Soka should stand for Sound of the Caribbean. But Spider, right now they're some danceal artists. Come on.

SPEAKER_05 44:35

No no no no, you got it like this story. Real bad, real, real Batman.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

Uh real. Everybody get the song out right now. It's called No Stress, and we are here, international talk. Let them know how they can check you on social medias. Full blown official on everything. Full blown. Just know it's only he answering.

SPEAKER_06 45:01

Because you don't want to get to him.

SPEAKER_03 45:02

You don't want to get to him, it's the problem. Yeah, when you get when you get the what you really say, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:09

Yeah, it's the problem.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

It's not problem, no stress. Right.

SPEAKER_03 45:14

Just leave it at the NS. So we appreciate you brothers for passing through. Anytime in New York City could pull up and you know for sure. Big love. Big love. Yeah, we're international talk. We out of here. Bless up